ATI Eyefinity Experience Tool

I would love to play L4D on that

The L4D games are great with Eyefinity. I know that was the first game that I played when I got my setup. Works flawlessly.

Wow, that is really nice... I want it.

unfair advantage? they paid for the set up...so paying cash= fair advantage. if thier is such thing as a fair advantage.... because an advantage gets rid of fair play...so.

If I have the extra money to bribe a judge, is that fair?

Devil's Advocation

Dang now I need to get a 5000 series card lol oh well I don't even think I have the space for a tri setup but still that does look pretty awesome.

techreport.com/articles.x/18756

Nice article and a youtube video of a guy running Eyefinity with 6 monitors playing HAWX running at 5760x2160 resolution and Dirt 2 all pulling from a single ATI 5870. Still pretty awesome and pretty pricey but none the less still awesome.

Lersar wrote:

If I have the extra money to bribe a judge, is that fair?

Devil's Advocation

yes, yes it is.

Evil...

Shroud wrote:

Wow, that is really nice... I want it.

unfair advantage? they paid for the set up...so paying cash= fair advantage. if thier is such thing as a fair advantage.... because an advantage gets rid of fair play...so.

I agree.

If a guy buys a super awesome mouse with macro buttons all over, does that mean he has an unfair advantage over a guy with a OEM 2-button mouse? What about the guy who overclocked his processor?

These rules are governed by ethics outside of the game. As far as I'm concerned, it's fair game. As long as nobody is modifying the game or disobeying any other predetermined rules outside of the game. It's up to the people who set up the competition.

sounds like this train of thought is leading to Classed gaming. Kind of like racing and such..

Well you lot are going to game together because youre running stock hardware and basic interfaces..

but you lot over here are goign to be in a special class because youre overclocked, use a nostromo, and a razer mouse..

ULTIMATELY the game itself is the ultimate equalizer because each game plays at a default level..

And your rig can either meet that default level or surpass it..

technobear wrote:

ULTIMATELY the game itself is the ultimate equalizer because each game plays at a default level..

I don't know about that. I'd be willing to be if you set up two newbies, one with Eyefinity and the other without, that the former would progress faster. Then again, if the player can't develop the skill to make it across that many pixels to shoot the guy he can see in the extra monitor, it really doesn't matter.

I really don't know quite where I stand on the issue, but there's a very strong part of me that says at least for sanctioned tournaments, there needs to be a standard.

NitrosDragon

These rules are governed by ethics outside of the game. As far as I'm concerned, it's fair game. As long as nobody is modifying the game or disobeying any other predetermined rules outside of the game. It's up to the people who set up the competition.

I think an interesting comparison is steroids. It isn't modifying the sport, enhances one's personal ability, is expensive, and it's only disobeying predetermined rules because it's already been decided as an unfair advantage.

Lersar wrote:

I think an interesting comparison is steroids. It isn't modifying the sport, enhances one's personal ability, is expensive, and it's only disobeying predetermined rules because it's already been decided as an unfair advantage.

A very good example of what I was trying to get at. Thanks for the breakdown, Adam.

As long as everyone is obeying the rules that have been previously agreed to (or lack thereof), I think Eyefinity is a wonderful tool.

NitrosDragon wrote:

Lersar wrote:

I think an interesting comparison is steroids. It isn't modifying the sport, enhances one's personal ability, is expensive, and it's only disobeying predetermined rules because it's already been decided as an unfair advantage.

A very good example of what I was trying to get at. Thanks for the breakdown, Adam.

As long as everyone is obeying the rules that have been previously agreed to (or lack thereof), I think Eyefinity is a wonderful tool.

I... don't think you know what I was getting at there, but as long as it did something for you, thats cool with me.

Lersar wrote:

[Steroids are] only disobeying predetermined rules because it's already been decided as an unfair advantage.

This is what I was getting at. Unless I go to a tournament and they specifically state that use of Eyefinity or other enhanced display software/hardware is illegal, I say it's fair game.

Would it be cheating if i had a better video card that displayed imaged faster (better FPS), or had a larger screen that showed more visable area? I remmeber someone saying that Fatal1ty disabled some setting to allow for more FPS. I havent been to a LAN yet that they've told JJ, Wes or anyone else with the big Hanns G monitors that they were too big. As long as you don't modify the games programming to allow extra monitors, it's something that was designed into the game and should be allowed.

And i understand the sight arguement, but playing Wow, you wouldn't last 10 minutes in a battle with out macros, does that make it cheating that i have an extra program that pops up a warning when my life gets low, or when my special ability is available? In the case of WOW, i think it is an unfair advantage to have a PC that can handle all those additional apps running in the backround. While it doesn't automatically click the spell or ability for your, it does make less work...
I'm sure Wingless could weigh into this thought process since he's a WOW guy

NitrosDragon

These rules are governed by ethics outside of the game. As far as I'm concerned, it's fair game. As long as nobody is modifying the game or disobeying any other predetermined rules outside of the game. It's up to the people who set up the competition.

I think an interesting comparison is steroids. It isn't modifying the sport, enhances one's personal ability, is expensive, and it's only disobeying predetermined rules because it's already been decided as an unfair advantage.[/quote]

Off Topic, but revelent to the subject: I heard that Tiger Woods had lasic surgery on his eyes and they now see 20/40 giving him an advantage in the spot where seeing like an eagle has advantages, yet he's allowed to compete... I recently watched a good documentary on steriods that i picked up at a LAN. I'll try to find the name and you can see for yourself what the whole deal is with that.

NitrosDragon wrote:

Lersar wrote:

[Steroids are] only disobeying predetermined rules because it's already been decided as an unfair advantage.

This is what I was getting at. Unless I go to a tournament and they specifically state that use of Eyefinity or other enhanced display software/hardware is illegal, I say it's fair game.

Agreed.

Edit: Also, now that I think about it, someone did have an Eyefinity setup at Stompfest, right? I'm assuming they were allowed to use it in a tournament, since I didn't see any rules stating otherwise.

I'd say a better mouse with macros in WoW/RTS is just as much or more of an advantage as extra FOV in an FPS, and I haven't seen any rules in tournaments banning either.

Furthermore, when does it end? If you're going to start banning extended displays, ban mice and keyboards with macro/extra function buttons. If you're going to ban that, why not get rid of surround sound headphones? These things all provide advantages over lesser hardware. What's next, banning overclocking or high-end video cards?

Most sanctioned events, ones that I've seen anyway, have players compete on tournament rigs, which would all obviously be the same anyways.

Lersar wrote:

Most sanctioned events, ones that I've seen anyway, have players compete on tournament rigs, which would all obviously be the same anyways.

This seems logical. With the prizes and actual teams who compete in these types of events, it would be a good idea to put together identical PC's and put them in the same area for a competition. Plus you could stream their images to large screens and capture video to show kill shot replays and highlights of the events. Guess i haven't been to a big enough LAN that took it's tournaments that seriously!
Maybe next year i'll make it to million man in KY or the other big one in Detroit!

Twodavez wrote:

Lersar wrote:

Most sanctioned events, ones that I've seen anyway, have players compete on tournament rigs, which would all obviously be the same anyways.

This seems logical. With the prizes and actual teams who compete in these types of events, it would be a good idea to put together identical PC's and put them in the same area for a competition. Plus you could stream their images to large screens and capture video to show kill shot replays and highlights of the events. Guess i haven't been to a big enough LAN that took it's tournaments that seriously!
Maybe next year i'll make it to million man in KY or the other big one in Detroit!

Well, to be fair, neither have I unfortunately. I've only seen them televised, like Arena or WCGS.