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15 Oct 2010 00:55 #10341 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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So, I have found a project to put some of thoes 30 P3 machines in my basement to use. I am going to take 6 of them, and turn them into a compute cluster. Sure, the GFLOPS will suck, but it will be a fun experiment. Who knows... maybe it will turn out better than I think it will. Either way, it will be an experience, and I will get to build a custom enclosure for it all.

Now, should I make it a Linux or Windows cluster? Can I run dedicated servers on it? (Do dedicated game servers parallelize well?) I guess we will find out.

I already know I am going to split the PSUs. 1 PSU for 2 mobo. That way, it will cut down on energy usage. I already have the IDE HDD and optical drive I will need as well as the network gear that will form the "High-speed" interconnect.

Anyone else here ever worked on a cluster before? Any suggestions?

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15 Oct 2010 01:38 #10344 by NitrosDragon
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I would suggest Linux right off the bat.

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15 Oct 2010 02:17 #10346 by garfi3ld
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im interested to see how this works out for you. Please keep us up to date with info and photos

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15 Oct 2010 02:41 #10347 by Lersar
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garfi3ld wrote: and photos

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15 Oct 2010 03:41 #10351 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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Most definitely.

With my work schedule, I dont expect to have it completed any time REALLY soon. But hopefully by the end of the year...

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15 Oct 2010 07:09 - 15 Oct 2010 07:14 #10359 by Reaper
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NitrosDragon wrote: I would suggest Linux right off the bat.

Seconded. FWIW I highly recommend Link: CentOS - it's roughly the same thing as RedHat Enterprise Linux, but free. We use a combination of the two for all of our production servers (if our customers feel "wrong" about not having to pay through the nose for a server OS, we'll sell them RHEL...). Anyways for a particular set of our production servers we used steps very similar to Link: This Guide to get it going. For the most part it really was that simple.

EDIT: Actually Link: this guide is what I used when setting up the cluster originally I'm pretty sure. It has a bit more detail which I always like, but the link I gave originally is more updated and tailored to CentOS.
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15 Oct 2010 07:21 #10360 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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Thanks Reaper. I will look all of that over when i begin the project.

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16 Oct 2010 01:12 #10370 by Wingless92
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Talk about a F@H machince, this will be it. You'll cure cancer in no time!

I want to see some pics of this as you get er' going. This should be fasinating to see!

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16 Oct 2010 15:38 #10389 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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I hope to get going on this tonight after work. I found out that we are missing the battery to our digital camera, so I guess I will take some pics with my webcam. While the quality may not be stellar, you will still get the idea of what is going on.

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17 Oct 2010 04:19 #10391 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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Alright, first pictures...

This is a quick picture of what I am working with.


Typical insides,

Specs include 900MHz P3, 512-768MB PC-133 SDRAM, 100GB HDD.

After I combine all 6 systems, I will have the following!!!

Anyone know what system this is?

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17 Oct 2010 08:01 - 17 Oct 2010 08:02 #10393 by Hasbeen
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I know its a scene from Batman the animated series. Its a giant machine that creates duplicates of various persons of influence throughout Gotham City. Can't remember the name or why exactly it was doing it but it did it just the same.


At least I'm pretty sure that it is what I think it is ;)
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17 Oct 2010 10:21 #10395 by NitrosDragon
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Reaper wrote: FWIW I highly recommend Link: CentOS - it's roughly the same thing as RedHat Enterprise Linux, but free.


I should mention that one of my servers runs CentOS and it works like a charm.

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17 Oct 2010 16:35 #10398 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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Hasbeen wrote: I know its a scene from Batman the animated series. Its a giant machine that creates duplicates of various persons of influence throughout Gotham City. Can't remember the name or why exactly it was doing it but it did it just the same.


At least I'm pretty sure that it is what I think it is ;)

You got the show right.... just need the name of the computer shown in the pic.

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17 Oct 2010 16:48 - 17 Oct 2010 16:49 #10399 by Hasbeen
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L0rdG1gabyt3 wrote:

Hasbeen wrote: I know its a scene from Batman the animated series. Its a giant machine that creates duplicates of various persons of influence throughout Gotham City. Can't remember the name or why exactly it was doing it but it did it just the same.


At least I'm pretty sure that it is what I think it is ;)

You got the show right.... just need the name of the computer shown in the pic.



Holographic Analytical Reciprocating Digital Computer or just H.A.R.D.A.C

Happy now? :laugh:
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17 Oct 2010 16:54 #10400 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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Hasbeen wrote: Holographic Analytical Reciprocating Digital Computer or just H.A.R.D.A.C

Happy now? :laugh:


Actually....... yes! Good job on the ID!

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17 Oct 2010 23:45 #10406 by Wingless92
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So when is SkyNet gonna be online, i'm building my bunker as we speak!

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18 Oct 2010 00:52 #10409 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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So when is SkyNet gonna be online, i'm building my bunker as we speak!

As soon as I can use the chip from the T1000 from the future to program the AI that will design the T1000 that comes back from the future.... wha???

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18 Oct 2010 06:04 - 18 Oct 2010 06:04 #10413 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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Maybe, the completed project should look like this:


Any geek worth his/her weight in transistors should know what system this one is.
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18 Oct 2010 07:19 #10414 by Hasbeen
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L0rdG1gabyt3 wrote: Maybe, the completed project should look like this:



Any geek worth his/her weight in transistors should know what system this one is.


Do you know just how many transistors your talking about here? I ain't exactly what you call skinny. :laugh:

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18 Oct 2010 15:46 #10415 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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Hasbeen wrote: Do you know just how many transistors your talking about here? I ain't exactly what you call skinny. :laugh:

Maybe not!! :D

Do you know what system is pictured in the previous post though?

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18 Oct 2010 18:55 - 18 Oct 2010 18:55 #10418 by Hasbeen
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Honestly not really. It looks before my time, like it was a scene out of some movie in the 80s. but the console has a few bits that remind me of that old 2001 a Space Odyssey. I saw parts of that movie way back when I was a kid (early-mid 90s). I liked HAL he was just misunderstood really :P But its the blue space suit in the back ground that is driving me nuts. I feel like I've seen it, that or I've gone a bit farther off the deep end.
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18 Oct 2010 21:45 #10419 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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Hasbeen wrote: Honestly not really. It looks before my time, like it was a scene out of some movie in the 80s. but the console has a few bits that remind me of that old 2001 a Space Odyssey. I saw parts of that movie way back when I was a kid (early-mid 90s). I liked HAL he was just misunderstood really :P But its the blue space suit in the back ground that is driving me nuts. I feel like I've seen it, that or I've gone a bit farther off the deep end.

Correct again! Its HAL-9000! Now, the thing you were wrong on is the age of the movie. 2001: A Space Odyssey is from 1968. Not the 80's. ;)

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18 Oct 2010 22:08 #10420 by Wingless92
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Good morning Dave.

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19 Oct 2010 19:25 #10432 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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Just to kinda get back on topic here... I plan on getting the software setup by this weekend.

Got to do some more reading on how this all works and make my Linux distro choice. Deciding between Ubuntu Server, and CentOS.

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19 Oct 2010 20:48 #10433 by Dreyvas
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Ubuntu server has been pretty nice for me, I've literally run for months on end without a reboot. I don't have any experience with CentOS yet, though.

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19 Oct 2010 22:37 - 19 Oct 2010 22:38 #10434 by Reaper
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L0rdG1gabyt3 wrote: Just to kinda get back on topic here... I plan on getting the software setup by this weekend.

Got to do some more reading on how this all works and make my Linux distro choice. Deciding between Ubuntu Server, and CentOS.

Use whichever you're more familiar with. If you're familiar with neither, probably go Ubuntu, I've never tried it before but I've heard it's friendlier to most new Linux users as well as they release updates a heck of a lot faster, and have a larger repository. CentOS actually ONLY backports security & bugfixes only into the core packages during a release, so you have to wait a full MAJOR release level to get a lot of the updates that would come with something like Ubuntu server. I actually appreciate that, though, because I don't have a lot of time to learn all the nuances of every little package that's getting installed, any why package X now conflicts with package Y, etc. Now, if I absolutely needed a newer release of something, I can always the package's repository to the update manager & be good to go.
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19 Oct 2010 23:20 #10435 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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I havent actually used Linux to this extent since college when I HAD to for certain classes. That is partially why I have been leaning towards Ubuntu. The tutorials you (Reaper) pointed me towards seem to be for HA clusters, and Im looking to make this a LB cluster. If I can have both.... that would be perfect! ;)

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20 Oct 2010 00:11 - 20 Oct 2010 00:12 #10436 by Reaper
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Then this is your answer (as far as CentOS is concerned): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Cluster_Suite (it does both)
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20 Oct 2010 01:27 #10437 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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Reaper wrote: Then this is your answer (as far as CentOS is concerned): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat_Cluster_Suite (it does both)

I will look at that! Thanks again.

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24 Oct 2010 02:52 #10546 by L0rdG1gabyt3
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The hardware has been pulled and ready to be "clusterized". Upon the advice of Reaper, I have decided on CentOS with the RedHat Cluster Suite. Unfortunatley even thought the RHCS allows for High Availability (HA), and Load Balancing (LB), it does not add in the High Performance Cluster (HPC) feature.

Here are some pics of my progress today.....

Gutting the mid-tower cases...


Still more case gutting....


All hardware pulled.


I will work on getting the boards connected along with their respective HDDS. Each one has a 20GB drive and a 80GB drive. The 80GB units are contained in hotswap bays that are initialized with a key. So if I decide to hook thoes up to the cluster, I can turn them on and off as needed, or use them for specific programs/server configurations.

More pics after they are all running... possibly even a video.

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