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08 Oct 2010 22:34 #10153 by SXRguyinMA
back to my earlier comment...

For the amount and value of the prizes being given away, it's a shame there wasn't more thought put into the voting and vote tallying systems.

If it were a few $10 gift cards or the like, it wouldn't be such a big deal. But when you're talking about thousands of dollars in prizes, there's more incentive for people to find loopholes.
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08 Oct 2010 22:35 #10154 by CrazyBillyBob
I was trying to keep my post vague as not to give anyone any new ideas :woohoo:

And like I said I just figured this out today.

I'm certain I've only voted once a day. I'll be honest and say like Dave I may have not been 24 hours apart every time but there has only been one vote per day.
I'm ok if my vote that may not have been 24 hrs apart got dropped.

I think that the process is even...


If you would like to talk with me privately about anything I'm all for it.

but lets get off the "20" kick.

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08 Oct 2010 22:38 - 08 Oct 2010 22:44 #10155 by LeatherFace
im was just messing with ya :-) lol..... if we dont kill garfi3ld from headaches or heart explosion and get to this is again sometime, i say maybe make the numbers private to only the staff until the end. their is another issue with swaying votes to, its more of a popularity contest then anything, its fun, but we are nerds we dont have friends..
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08 Oct 2010 22:47 #10156 by SXRguyinMA
yea keeping the votes private till the end isn't a bad idea either. Most of my friends I ran it by didn't vote because they didn't want to sign up for another account they'll never use lol. They said if they didn' thave to sign up they would have done it no problem, but that in itself would lead to way more issues than having to creat an account

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08 Oct 2010 22:47 #10157 by jj_Sky5000
Another good way is to get a panel of 5 judges from the Sponsor to rate the cases 1 -12. Who ever has the highest number is the winner. no swaying of votes- no popularity contest. I feel bad for all the modders involved who didnt have the social capilities to attract votes or was caught off guard. Your 100% correct Leatherface it is a populairty contest. It has absolutly nothing to do with the work and creativeness of the mod.

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08 Oct 2010 22:52 - 08 Oct 2010 23:00 #10158 by LeatherFace
imo u cant pick sponsors to be judges they will be biased towards products, but maybe, the winner becomes a judge in the next competition , make it a requirment to be a judge if u enter and win, im sure modders inc. guys would judge, or darthbeavis from out of the box modding, cpu magazine im sure would judge.. its online so their is no travel, get companys like digital trends magazine to judge.

But i believe the reciepe is for the People to vote... hmmm....
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08 Oct 2010 23:23 #10160 by CrazyBillyBob
The issue with judges is that they are biased. Some only like "Box" mods.
From scratch mods that are not PC shaped don't do well in some places.
Sometimes they look too closely at the mods and fail to see the forest for the trees.

Peoples choice sometimes can go the other way, blinky lights and wiz bang effects garner votes that should have go to a more thought out and executed mod.
or are an Open popularity contest.

I've yet to be in the "perfect" case mod contest... But I'm sure it's out there (or will be the next time Garfi3ld runs one ;) )

There has to be a balancing point between WOW factor, and technical merit.


CBB


For those that don't know any better this is a GOOD contest. The Admins care, it was publicized, any major changes were announced ahead of time. For the few things that folks don't like about the voting (Technically, or in execution). There are 10's of things (at least) that are Right with it. For this being LanOC.org's first online Case mod contest they are well on their way to having a GREAT if not the best CASE mod contest out there. I just hope we (the contestants) don't screw it up and scare them out of doing another one!:P :) :woohoo:

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08 Oct 2010 23:27 - 08 Oct 2010 23:30 #10161 by jj_Sky5000
I would definlaty keep the people out of it, because its a becomes a popularty vote. and let a panel decide. its no different than letting The sposnors decide Every body is going to be bias one way or another. a least the sponosors will have a input on your thier free merchidise is going to go why would you not get them involved? if its 5 diffenrt judges from 5 diffenrt companys how will that favor anybody?:huh:
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09 Oct 2010 00:36 #10162 by garfi3ld
I think nomatter how the voting is done you will have people being upset. I did my best even from the begining to let everyone know how the voting on this contest will be done. Good or bad, we have to live with it. I have done my best to keep the voting itself as fair as it can be. Privately we have discussed other options on voting show we do this in the future, some of that discussion being even before the voting even went live. I am sorry that this type of voting has made it difficult for some of our competitors. What I am shocked to see is that some of the entry's have almost no votes. At minimum you could have atleast 5 just from your own votes.

Wes

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09 Oct 2010 00:41 #10164 by SXRguyinMA

garfi3ld wrote: At minimum you could have atleast 5 just from your own votes.


Or 4, depending on how you 24-hour blocks worked out. It it was once per day (i.e. vote at 8pm, then 8am following morning) then yes 5 at least. but the 24-hour thing gets in the way sometimes (i.e. vote @ 8pm, can't vote until 8pm again, get busy that night don't vote, vote next day @8am, etc etc.)

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09 Oct 2010 00:43 #10165 by garfi3ld
very good point

Thank you

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09 Oct 2010 00:45 #10166 by SXRguyinMA
maybe use that 24-hour period next time (i.e. 12:00am to 11:59pm each day), that might make things simpler :D

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09 Oct 2010 03:17 #10168 by LeatherFace
I do have to say though,. by allowing the people to vote. I know alot of my friends and family were astonished at some of the builds they had no idea the quality and level that is currently being built by the top modders. That inspires people when they see those things. So i do firmly believe that you absolutley have readched a huge demographic that had never seen mods before other then maybe a facebook page... so that speaks volumes for itself, no ther mod contest does that... and to set urself from everyone else, isint always a bad thing.. people like different..

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09 Oct 2010 03:56 #10169 by Twodavez
All in all, i think it'll drum up positive attention to the site, and hopefully increase the entrants for next time...

“Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest.” - Mark Twain
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09 Oct 2010 20:52 #10176 by LeatherFace

Twodavez wrote: All in all, i think it'll drum up positive attention to the site, and hopefully increase the entrants for next time...


i didnt tally an exact number maybe garfiled can but it looks like just the entrees their were had somewhere in the ball park of 6 to 7,000 hits combined.I think we all got some exposure..

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10 Oct 2010 00:58 #10177 by ikem

jj_Sky5000 wrote: I would definlaty keep the people out of it, because its a becomes a popularty vote. and let a panel decide. its no different than letting The sposnors decide Every body is going to be bias one way or another. a least the sponosors will have a input on your thier free merchidise is going to go why would you not get them involved? if its 5 diffenrt judges from 5 diffenrt companys how will that favor anybody?:huh:


this is how it should be, i know Bill Owen would totally be on board for it. But having it by a total randomly popular vote? If it was like that, then have it only one vote person. Then others have a chance. And you have to acutally work to get people in, to vote.

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10 Oct 2010 03:41 #10182 by garfi3ld
You still have to work to get people to vote and then get them to come back. The result there is just about the same.

As for having panel of modders still has the possibility of being unfair. Not saying anyone would do it, but there is always a chance that they will lean towards people they know or people from their community's.

There is no perfect way to vote, but if we do this again we plan on reconsidering all of the options suggested.

Wes
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10 Oct 2010 04:48 #10185 by LeatherFace
ok i will admit, im starting to get nervous now and evertime i look at the poll, my heart starts racing... this is kinda intense..

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10 Oct 2010 16:29 - 10 Oct 2010 16:45 #10191 by LeatherFace
I cant vote this morning is the contest still going.?? or did it end, ZI thought 8pm EST on the 10th..
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10 Oct 2010 17:07 #10193 by garfi3ld
I had the incorrect time set. I should also point out that I havnt cleaned out any votes over the last two days because I have been out of town with a family thing. Im going to try to get them cleaned out now and then do a 2nd pass tonight when I get home

Wes
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